PROGRAM

 

 

Registration: Foyer of Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation

Sunday, August 2 14:30-18:00

Monday, August 3 08:15-17:30

 

MONDAY August 3, 1998

Session 1. PLENARY - Knowledge and innovation for economic development
08:50-10:20 (Amphitheatre 2)

Welcome Remarks:
Manuel Heitor
, Conference Chairman, Instituto Superior Técnico, Portugal

Speakers:
Nathan Rosenberg
, Stanford University, USA
"Knowledge and Innovation for economic development: Should Universities be Economic Institutions?"
Luc Soete, MERIT, The Netherlands
"Title to be announced"

Discussant: João Caraça, Calouste Gulbenkian Foundation, Portugal

 

10:20-10:45 Coffee-break

 

Session 2. S&T Policy Analysis - 1
10:45-12:45 (Amphitheatre 2)

  • Can Economic Incentives Solve Unemployment and Promote Industrial Development? The Case of France: Empirical Evidence and Policy Consequences
    N. Peltier
  • From technology generation to technology transfer: the concept and reality of the "dual-use technology centres"
    J. M.-Gallart and T. Sinclair
  • Globalisation in design and technology and national design systems
    J. Howels and S. Massini
  • Patenting Activity and market Structure - Correcting for self-selection in a sample of Danish patent holders
    A. O. Nielsen
  • From invention to innovation in pharmaceuticals and materials: case studies of sectoral variation in national systems of innovation
    G. Spinardi
  • High-Technology venture business in Korea
    T.K. Sung
  • Economic development and its impact on occupational grouping structure in Korea 1971-1991
    J. Kim

 

Session 3. Innovation and economic development
10:45-12:45 (Room 1)

  • A knowledge-centered model of economic development: new roles for education, science and technology policies
    P. Conceição and M. V. Heitor
  • Innovative Milieux: Advanced posts of interpenetration between the economic system and the science system
    P. Franz
  • A methodology to assess the effectiveness of national innovation systems in sustaining socio-economic development
    G. Abramo
  • Innovation and growth in the european regions
    J. R. Viesca and J. C. Císcar
  • Intellectual capitalism - its causes and consequences
    O. Granstrand
  • Principles of modern technology policy
    G. Erber

 

 

Session 4. University-Based Technology Transfer
10:45-12:45 (Amphitheatre 3)

 

Speaker:
George Ferné, OECD, France
"Title to be announced"

  • Technological management in the academic research: a case study
    A. L. V. Torkomian
  • University, knowledge industries and sustainable development
    M. A. Briceño
  • Intelectual property and technology transfer in universities and research centers
    C. I. Chamas and A. C. A. Muller
  • Policies for IPR at FEUP
    J C D Marques dos Santos and P M S Tavares de Castro
  • Present problems and its solving approaches in technology transfer of Chinese universities
    B. Wang and Z. Guan

 

Session 5. Regional Systems of Knowledge Creation and Diffusion
10:45-12:45 (Room 2)

 

Rapporteur: Conceição Vedovello, Instituto Superior Técnico, PT
Speakers:

Dennis Rondinelli, The Frank Hawkins Kenan Institute of Private Enterprise, USA

"Globalization, Technology and development: Strategies for Regional Economic Growth"

Robert Wilson, LBJ School of Public Affairs, The University of Texas at Austin, USA

"Redefining regional development: state economic development policy and international markets in 2 Brazilian states"

Bob Hodgson, Segal Quince Wicksteed Ltd., UK

"Knowledge Creation, Diffusion and Entrepreneurship in Cambridge, UK"

Discussion

 

12:45-14:30 Lunch-break

 

13:30-14:15 (Amphitheatre 2)
Current Target Socio-economic Research, TSER in Europe: Main Projects and Results
Speakers: Peter Fisch, European Commission-DGXII - TSER Programme
Virginia Vitorino, European Commission-DGXII - TSER Programme

 

Session 6. PLENARY - Comparative Regional Development
14:30-15:40 (Amphitheatre 2)

 

Speakers:

George Metakides, European Commission - DG III

"The Impact of Information Technologies on the Globalisation of the Economy"

Abel Aganbegyan, Russian Academy of National Economy, Russia

"Title to be announced"

Yan Yixun, Chinese Academy of Sciences, P.R. China

"Title to be announced"

Discussant: Chandler Stolp, LBJ School of Public Affairs, The University of Texas at Austin, USA

 

15:40-16:00 Coffee-break

 

Session 7. Knowledge Diffusion and the geography of innovation
16:00-18:00 (Room 1)

  • Do innovations diffuse faster within geographical clusters?
    R. Baptista
  • Does geoeconomic integration facilitate technology diffusion? A comparasion of the Asian-Pacific transborder subregions
    X. Chen
  • Technological leapfrogging: the software challenge in India
    A. P. D'Costa
  • Regional knowledge creation - areas as platforms for innovation
    T. Shibata
  • Global interactions for the sustainable growth of local business
    P. Conceição and J. W. Amos
  • New technologies as key factor for employment - a case study: the TRANSTEX project in Extremadura
    L. Crespo
  • Simplifying but not simplistic.The use of the "techno-economic network model" for practical and strategic research management
    B. Laat

 

Session 8. S&T Policies for Developing Countries
16:00-18:00 (Room 2)

  • Innovation in NICs: Managing R&D in technology-followers
    N. Forbes and D. Wield
  • Globalization and science & technology policy of developing countries: The case of Turkey
    S. Iyidogan
  • The commercialisation of the intellectual property rights under holding joint research activities in the countries which are moving towards the market-oriented economy
    V. Kulikov, A. Gorokhovsky, V. Atoyan and A. Slepukhin
  • Strategic management of technology and innovation in an open market, cases from Mexico
    C. C. Reguart
  • The impact of software and communications technology in innovative approaches to sustainable development: lessons from Ceará, Brazil
    J. Bustner and S. Tankha
  • Government policy for development of innovation activities in Russia
    N. Arzamastsev
  • Establishing S&T infrastructure and strategy in the special administrative region(s) – Hong Kong and Macau
    V.P. Iu

 

Session 9. WORKSHOP:
Towards the Learning Economy and the Information Society in Europe
16:00-18:00 (Amphitheatre 2)

 

Rapporteur: Pedro Conceição, Instituto Superior Técnico, PT
Speakers:
Luc Soete
, MERIT, NL
"Title to be announced"
Susana Borras, Roskilde University, DK
"The globalizing learning economy: implications for innovation policy"
Massimiliano Dragoni, European Commission, DGXII
"The peculiarity of innovation in Europe"

 

Discussion

 

Session 10. WORKSHOP: Sustainability
16:00-18:00 (Amphitheatre 3)

 

Rapporteur: Paulo Ferrão, Instituto Superior Técnico, Portugal
Speakers:
Jurgen Schmandt
, HARC-Houston Advanced Research Center, USA
"Planning for sustainability"
M. Granger Morgan, Carnegie Mellon University, USA
"Climate Policy and Technology Policy"
Discussants:
- Chandler Stolp, LBJ School of Public Affairs, The University of Texas at Austin, USA
- Roland Clift, The University of Surrey, UK

 

Discussion

 

Banquet: Royal Coach Museum
20:00 (Buses leave Hotels at 19:30)

 

Speakers:
Hans Mark,
The University of Texas at Austin, USA

Evan Vlachos, Colorado State University, USA

 

Theme: Learning from the Portuguese heritage:
from the 15th century challenges to the opportunities of the 21st century

TUESDAY August 4, 1998

Session 11. PLENARY – Knowledge Management
09:00-10:20 (Amphitheatre 2)

 

Speakers:

Leif Edvinsson, SKANDIA, Sweden
"Knowledge management: the role of intellectual capital"

David Gann, SPRU, University of Sussex, UK
"Innovation management in project-based firms"

Discussant: Syed Shariq, Stanford University, USA

 

10:20-10:45 Coffee-break

 

Session 12. Knowledge Management
10:45-12:45 (Amphitheatre 2)

  • Knowledge exploration and exploitation in a firm: towards an understanding of key organizational capabilities
    L. Välikangas
  • Process to product: creating tools for knowledge management
    C. Jackson
  • Knowledge management systems as an approach to technology management in an information society
    K. Niwa
  • Wealth creation through mutual technological capability development
    P. J. Tremblay
  • Knowledge management in complex contexts: the case of the foreign management in a mature agro-industry of a developing country
    J. P. Cedillo
  • Knowledge as an adaptive behavior: The building up of users-producers networks for biotechnology diffusion in an "intermediate economy"
    M. H. Padua

 

 Session 13. Industry Growth through technology commercialization
10:45-12:45 (Room 1)

 

Speaker:

Sten Thore, Instituto Superior Técnico, PT

 

"Economies of scale in the digital industry"

  • Biotechnology entrepreneurs in an "intermediate" economy
    M. Fontes
  • The role of technology policy in knowledge transfer processes: The case of the IT industries in Spain
    C. Chaminade and J. S. Bichara
  • Emerging patterns of science and technology commercialization: the challenges of globalization
    K. J. Chaturvedi and Y.S. Rajan
  • Commercialization of Russian technology
    D. Bernstein
  • The interdependence between science, technology and markets in the case of robotics in Japan
    K. Miyazaki and N. Kumaresan

 

Session 14. New programs and methods in university education
10:45-12:45 (Amphitheatre 3)

 

Speaker:
Fumio Itoh, Aoyama Gakuin University, Japan

 

"Global Classroom and Networking of the Higher Education"

  • Remote collaborative design: the Lisbon charrette experience
    J. Bento, T. Heitor and J. P. Duarte
  • Opportunities and challenges for long distance education on commercialization of science and technology - A case study
    C. Vedovello, P. Conceição, M.V. Heitor, D. Gibson, B. Fossum and S. Kearns
  • Twelve hurdles to starting an MOT program: How and why to overcome them
    F. Phillips
  • Technology assessment and the future of engineering education
    W. A. Bazzo and O. Todt
  • Critical emerging challenge: training microprocessor compatible engineers
    D. H. McQueen

 

Session 15. WORKSHOP: Urban Sustainability
10:45-12:45 (Room 2)

 

Rapporteur: Teresa Heitor, Instituto Superior Técnico, Portugal
Speakers:
Evan Vlachos,
Colorado State University, USA
"
Livable cities and sustainable urbanization: envisioning alternative futures"
Michael Wakelin
, Bechtel Int’l, USA
"To be announced"
Jason Switzer, MIT, USA
"Natural disasters and sustainable urban development: A consensus building approach to risk management planning"

 

Discussion

12:45-14:30 Lunch-break

 

Session 16. PLENARY – Knowledge Networks
14:30-16:40 (Amphitheatre 2)

 

Speakers:
Robert Sullivan, Kenen-Flagler Business School, The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, USA
"Distance learning systems for developing knowledge capital"

Michael Wakelin, Bechtel Int’l, USA
"Knowledge City Networks and the Leisure Industry – from Las Vegas to Lisbon"

Discussant: Leif Edvinsson, SKANDIA, Sweden

 

15:40-16:00 Coffee-break

 

Session 17. Poster Session in Display in the Hall
16:00-18:00 (Hall)

 

Topic 1. S&T Policy Analysis
  • Industrial targeting and social returns: evidence from the Portuguese industry
    F. Veloso, I. Sue Wing, and J. Felizardo
  • Isolation and Transition - Consequences and Perspectives for Yugoslav S&T System
    D. Kutlaa and D. Semenenko
  • Innovation strategies in manufacturing SMEs and their fit with the regional technology and innovation policy:
    conclusions from an illustrative case
    I. March-Chordà
  • Impact of Advanced Materials - Technologies on Industrial Development. The Case of Greece
    D.N. Tsipas
  • Technology transfer, innovation and the diffusion of knowledge towards the knowledge economy
    M. V. Heitor, P. Oliveira and C. Vedovello

 

Topic 2. S&T Policies for Developing Countries
  • Structure of scientific Co-operation with CEECs and NIS in European RTD programmes-the Austrian experience
    K. Schuch
  • Technology innovation and management in developing countries - a case study of indian leather industry
    A. Amudeswari and T. Ramasami
  • Research management pratices in Japan. An overview of the evolution of the triple Helix relations
    K. Lapid
  • Strategic Planning and Decision making for sustainable development
    S. Thanka
  • The making of world class software regions and businesses in Paraná, Brazil
    K. C. Weber and R. A. R. Almeida

 

Topic 3. Innovation Systems
  • Emerging Factors in Science and Technology Policy-Internationalization of Creation and use of Technological Knowledge - LOST LINKS - NEW FRAMEWORK
    T. Schauf
  • Knowledge-based technology policy in the innovation systems in Germany and France
    T. Dunkel
  • The role of technology in the growth of nations: a discussion in the context of small open economies
    J. Tavares
  • Transformation role of the FDI in R&D: analysis based on databank
    A. Inzelt
  • The management and commercialization of science and technology
    V.P. Nesterov

 

Topic 4. University-Based Technology Transfer
  • The Professor as Innovation Agent in the Interaction Process with the Company
    D. R. Reis
  • Linking a technical university to the technology recipients
    T.A. Loukakis, M. Samuelides, D.P. Koullas and X. Papadomichelaki
  • Achieving product development goals through a partnership of government, University & Industry
    T. E. Evans and P. Miranda
  • Spin-Offs and Entrepreneurial Universities in Less Developed R&D Regions
    A. M. Sanchez, O.U. Perez, M. P. Perez and I.A. Nuez
  • Facing the commercialisation of science and technology: strategic analysis of University R&D activities.
    The case of the University of Girona
    P. Condom and J. Valls
  • Tecnology transfer through university-company partnership
    K. Hatakeyama

 

Topic 5. Firm Creation & growth in Technology parks and incubators
  • Innovation and technology transfer- The experience of Pedro Nunes Institute
    M.G. Rasteiro, M. Salete Leite
  • On the development of technology infrastructures in developing countries: the case of Portugal
    P. Conceição, M. V. Heitor and C. Vedovello
  • Development of Innovative Infrastructure and High-Technology Small Firms in Obninsk
    I. Gonnov and O. Luksha
  • Globalization of Technology transfer - a strategic approach for business
    E. D. Lopes and L. Quintino
  • R&D Organisations, Global Competition and Technological Cooperation: the case of the Geochemical Centre of Excellence of Petrobras
    S. Sapolnik and M. R. Mello

 

Topic 6. Knowledge Management
  • International research collaboration: transfer of knowledge vs. extension of the knowledge base
    T. T. Santos Pereira
  • Successful innovation through intrapreneuship and the establishment of virtual capabilities
    R. A. Bartholomew and A. W. Pearson
  • Revisiting technical and knowledge changes: for a non-change and patrimonial approach
    P. Byé
  • Organizational design for the knowledge economy
    P. Ferreira, M.V. Heitor and F. Santos

 

Topic 7. Tech. Evaluation, Assessment and Forecasting
  • A challenge for the health services: data and projections of HIV and AIDS in Portugal
    J.A. Amaral, M.B. Rosário and M.T. Paixão
  • Health technologies assessment: rationalization against rationing
    O. Azócar-Brunner, and J.L. Conde-Olasagasti
  • Strategy under uncertainty: scenario planning in the telecommunication business - A case-study
    L. M. Lapão
  • A Technology transfer framework for global sustainable development
    P. L. Gardner and F. Douglas
  • Measuring Knowledge and Know-how: Intellectual Capital Auditing
    A. Chudasama

 

Topic 8. Modelling Complex Systems
  • A model for technology transfer in a chaotic environment
    G. Dietrich
  • High risks, uncertain returns: the game of engineering projects
    F. Provencher
  • Optimal regulation policies in a competitive market under asymmetric information
    A. La Bella and C. Campi
  • Modelling Stochastic Innovation Races
    H.W. Gottinger
  • New mathematics and cybernetic technologies
    S. Novikava and A. Zhybul
  • Hazard zones in hierarchical systems
    S. Novikava, A. Zhybul, S. Gancharova, K. Miatliuk, M. Mahaniok, P. Buka, A. Turovich and A. Konash

     

    Topic 9. Environment Management and policies

  • Innovation Effects of Environmental Policy - Case Studies from Germany and the Netherlands
    S. Osório-Peters
  • Sustainable Design and Environmental Suitability of Consumer Goods
    S. Glisovic and Z. Jankovic
  • Production Integrated Environmental Protection - An Innovation Strategy for the Challenges of the 21st Century
    C. Spiecker and H.-D. Haasis
  • The adoption of the cleaner production strategies can improve the innovation at the firms?
    A. D. C. Lemos
  • The link between environmental policy and technological change in Brazil
    J. C. Barbieri
  • Cost efficiency versus the environmental imperative: Technological innovation in copper smelting in Chile and China
    C. Brundenius and B. Goransson
  • Modelling a land-use planning innovation process
    J. M. Lourenço

 

Session 18. FYE’98: FORUM OF YOUNG ENTREPRENEURS
16:00-18:00 (Amphitheatre 2)

 

Rapporteur: Pedro Ferreira, Instituto Superior Técnico, Portugal
Speakers:
George Kozmetsky,
IC2 Institute, The University of Texas at Austin, USA
"Generational roadmaps"
Fumio Itoh
, Aoyama Gakuin University, Japan
"Title to be announced"

Manuel F. Thomaz, Portuguese Association of Young Entrepreneurs, Portugal
"Portuguese experiences in promoting an entrepreneurial culture"

 

Discussion

WEDNESDAY August 5, 1998

 

Session 19. PLENARY – Measuring Innovation and its impact
09:00-10:20 (Amphitheatre 2)

 

Speakers:

Giorgio Sirilli, ISRDS, Italy
"
Conceptualizing and measuring technological innovation"

Jacques de Bandt, CNRS, France
"
Is there a relation between knowledge production and productivity?"

Discussant: Nathan Rosenberg, University of Stanford, USA

 

10:20-10:45 Coffee-break

 

Session 20. S&T Policy Analysis - 2
10:45-12:45 (Amphitheatre 2)

  • Public finance of R&D activities of enterprises: Role and impact of the Spanish low interest credits for individual enterprises
    J. Heijs
  • Auto supplier strategies at the turn of the century: a review of the key issues
    F. Veloso, J. Felizardo, R. Roth and J.S. Romero
  • Role of institutions in the promotion of biotechnology in India - a case study of Cardamom
    K. Mehra, A. Jain
  • Technology policies for developing countries to resoolve systemic problems arising in the international transfer of technology
    S.-Chul Yoon
  • Institutional reorganization as a process of modernizing relations between agents of innovation
    S. Salles-Filho, M. B. Bonacelli and D. Mello
  • Sustainable technology base
    X. Chu

 

Session 21. Technology Evaluation
10:45-12:45 (Room 1)

  • Sustainability, Acceptance and Acceptability. Technology policy between short-ranged acceptance orientation and long-term planning requirements
    A. Grunwald
  • Effects of public research on industrial innovations in Germany
    M. Beise and H. Stahl
  • Assessment of publicity sponsored R&D projects in chemistry and chemical engineering related to ecological and economic sustainability
    J.P. Baselt, D. Tiebes, K. Wagemann and A. Zickler
  • Metaevaluation on the information and communication R&D program in Korea
    C.-Goo Yi
  • Prioritizing university research projects in the face of technological and market uncertainty: combining data envelopment analysis and scenario analysis
    S. Thore and L. Lapão
  • The Application of Data Envelopment Analysis Method to Evaluate the Efficiency of R&D Projects Execution - A Case Study on R&D Projects of Energy Technology
    B. J.C. Yuan and J.-Nan Huang

 

Session 22. WORKSHOP:
Firm Creation & Growth in Technology Parks and Incubators - 1
10:45-12:45 (Room 2)

Rapporteurs: Conceição Vedovello, Instituto Superior Técnico, Portugal
Margarida Fontes, INETI, Portugal

· Technoparks of Russia: history, development stages, achievements
V. Shukshunov, V. Kachack and V. Yudin
· Science Park Development in China: An Empirical Analysis
Lan Xue
· High tech. And Sustainable Development Technopolis
D.-Seong Oh
· Differing Development Paths of Innovation Centers and Technology Parks in Eastern Germany
P. Franz
· Innovation Centres as Tool for the Local Technological Policy. Results and limits of the Italian Experience
M. Cariola and S. Rolfo
· Assessment, commercialization and application of science and technology and the management of knowledge
I. Gorriño
· Addressing Client Expectations of Innovation Centres
P.-M. Lindén-Linna, P. Silvennoinen and P. Tuominen
· Networking of Incubators in Northern Germany: A mix and match future strategy for the benefit of innovative companies
I. Hussla

 

Discussion

 

Session 23. WORKSHOP: Environment Management and Policies - 1
10:45-12:45 (Amphitheatre 3)

 

Rapporteur: Paulo Ferrão, Instituto Superior Técnico, Portugal
·
The control of product chains-a model determining effective environmental policy
U. Kleineidam
· Managing economic, technological and environmental changes in the energy industry: the case of the DOMEC model
A. Musters and A. Ron
· Modern biotechnology and the greening of industry
P. Sorup, I. Malsch, O. Wolf

Speakers:
Annik Fet
, Aalesund College, Norway
"
Enviromental management tools and their application - A review with reference to case studies"
Fabio Leone, IPTS, European Commission Spain
"
Overview of Life Cycle Assessments in the Automotive Sector"
Adiza Azapagic, University of Surrey, UK
"
Sensible use of resources - cascaded use of materials"

 

Discussion

12:45-14:30 Lunch-break

 

13:30-14:15 (Amphitheatre 2)
Future Trends for Socio-Economic Research in Europe under the V Framework Program
Speakers: Peter Fisch, European Commission-DGXII - TSER Program
Virginia Vitorino, European Commission-DGXII - TSER Program

 

Session 24. PLENARY – Innovation and Employment

 

14:30-15:40 (Amphitheatre 2)

 

Speakers:

Pascal Petit, CNRS, France
"Title to be announced"

Tobben Anderson, Odense Steel Shipyard Ltd, Denmark
"
Away from unemployment-how to make good use of R&D in intelligent automation ? "

Discussant: Giorgio Sirilli, IRSDS, Italy

 

15:40-16:00 Coffee-break

 

Session 25. Technology Assessment and Auditing
16:00-17:30 (Amphitheatre 2)

  • A new framework for technology assessment: aspects of the concept of innovation-oriented TA (ITA)
    S. Bröchler
  • Identifying companies' research needs / Experiences out of technology foresight exercise
    E. P. Villarejo
  • Evaluating infrastructures of support to technology and innovation: A benchmarking methodology
    M. Laranja
  • Technological audits to 40 local companies in the Alicante region
    F. J. G.-Sabater
  • Technology and innovation audit methodology TEC+ and its use in two companies of the car components sector in Portugal
    C. Selada, F. Veloso, A. Videira and J.R. Felizardo

 

Session 26. WORKSHOP (Continuation):
Firm Creation & Growth in Technology Parks & Incubators
16:00-17:30 (Room 1)

 

Rapporteurs: Conceição Vedovello, Instituto Superior Técnico, Portugal
Margarida Fontes, INETI, Portugal

Speakers:
Howard Rush, Brighton University, UK
"
Benchmarking best practice in Research and Technology Institutes"
Bob Hodgson
, Segal Quince Wicksteed Ltd., UK
"
Creative interventions through European Science parks and incubators"
Laura Kilcrease, IC2 Institute, The University of Texas at Austin, USA
"Title to be announced"

 

Discussion

 

Session 27. WORKSHOP (Continuation): Environmental Management and Policies - 2
16:00-17:30 (Amphitheatre 3)

 

Rapporteur: Paulo Ferrão, Instituto Superior Técnico, Portugal
Speakers:
Pedro S. Nunes
, European Commission, DG XVII, Belgium
"
Climate Change; Policy and Technology in the EU position"
Roland Clift
, University of Surrey, United Kingdom
"
Relationships between environmental impacts and added value along the supply chain"
Paulo Ferrão, Instituto Superior Técnico, Portugal
"
Title to be announced"

 

Discussion

 

Session 28. Entrepreneurship in the Knowledge Economy
17:40 - 18:30 (Amphitheatre 2)

  • Innovative Competencies for Entrepreneurs
    L. F. M. Niewenhuis
  • SME's on Survival Odyssey
    J. A. Kaizer, L. Dijkstra and J.I.M. Halman
  • Intellectual Entrepreneurship
    S. Kwiatkowski
  • Entrepreneurship in Japanese higher education system - a perspective
    M. K. Goto and K. Goto
  • Grassroots entrepreneurship: Technology for communities at the crossroads
    A. Forino
  • Global network entrepreneurship
    D. Gibson and C. Styles

 

Session 29. PLENARY (Closing)
17:40 - 18:30 (Amphitheatre 2)

 

Speakers:
George Kozmetsky
, IC2 Institute, The University of Texas at Austin, USA
Roberto Carneiro, Portuguese Catholic University, Portugal

 

Dinner 20:30 (buses leave hotels at 20:00)

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